Posted By: Denise Begley | Dec 20th, 2007 @ 6:41 PM
blings_9_25_c Do you have what it takes to restyle the MIX08 homepage?  Top  designs will win prizes to MIX08.  Download the files and start restyling now! 
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I was really looking forward to this year's restyle. I've done this both previous years and even won last year.

However, I was very disappointed when I downloaded the zip. The markup is very bad and difficult to work with. The sample template doesn't render correctly and there a lot of really bad hacks, incorrect markup and inline style issues that make it almost impossible to work with.

I would be happy to help create a cleaner, standards-based markup. This kind of thing makes all of us who work with Microsoft's web technology look like amatuers and it will be difficult to get designers to take this contest seriously.

Hi Ian,

I'll ask our designer to look at the ZIP file and see what's wrong.  However, I just did a view source on the live conference page and the markup actually looks cleaner to me than last year.  Our designer used Expression Web and specifically aimed for semantic markup, valid XHTML and CSS, etc.  I noticed 3 minor validation issues that are almost certainly regressions and will have him fix those.  I also saw only one use of inline style and the spacer-gif thing, which is also probably an unnecessary hack and could be fixed.

Other than those, any issues I could find were quite mild.  For example, some of the class names are not semantic, and a couple of the DIVs and BRs could probably be eliminated.  But those are nits, IMO.

Are there any other things I'm missing?

Some of the things are a bit nit-picky and normally wouldn't be a big deal. However, each of the little things that were done to make the main style work limit what can be done with the redesign. If this were just a random site on the web, I wouldn't have said anything, but this is markup for a CSS contest. You're actively trying to get the world's top designers to look at this markup, it should be perfect.

Having &nbsp; &nbsp; | after each nav item normally isn't a big deal, but now I'm forced to have that in any restyle design I do. It should have been a border, but since it's actual "content" I can't do anything with it. Same goes for <br /> tags and inline-styles. They wouldn't be a big deal normally, but when other designers are trying to work with the same markup, it limits our ability to change it from the originally intended design.

Some of the issues jsut show that there was no understanding of how tags should be used. The entire footer is wrapped in an h3 tag, which is not only semantically dumb, but also unessecary because the footer is already wrapped in a div.

I really hate being a jerk about this, and I doubt I have any chance of winning after making a big deal about the markup, but it just seems like slap in the face when I'm trying to prove that Microsoft and ASP.NET are standards friendly when stuff like this happens. For many designers, this will be the first/only time they've worked with something from Microsoft and it just looks bad to have mistakes in the markup.

One more thing. How do we upload the designs once they're done?

Ian: Yeah, I noticed that h3/nbsp thing as well and already passed along to the designer.  I think putting the nav items in the footer in a list (instead of a div, in fact) would be better and would get rid of the nbsp.  If that's the only additional change in addition to the ones I mentioned in my first comment, cleaning the HTML should be pretty doable.  Already have given the feedback to the designer and expect some fixes in the next week.

I believe the upload tool will go live sometime in the next week or two; and I'll push to have any tweaks to the HTML done before then.

And constructive criticism is not grounds for disqualifying contestants; we're looking forward to what you submit this year!

So those of us that won last year are free to enter again? If not, I'd still be happy to be a judge this time around.

Cool, feel free to let me know if my criticism goes from constructive to annoying.

I've already got a few designs started.

Hello,

Just a couple questions about the contest:

1. How often is the gallery updated? I don't see my submission - should I be concerned that something went wrong with the upload?

2. Is it possible to update a previous submission to clean it up a bit?

3. Is there a way to change the profile name that gets displayed in the gallery?

Thanks. I'm sure you are all quite busy getting ready for the big event...

Crile
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